We could close Cleveland Bridge forever…?

9 Responses

  1. Colin Carlin says:

    So how would people living in the North side of the river access the South side? Over the toll bridge? It is one thing to wish to stop the lorries, but quite another closing the bridge to all city traffic.

  2. Jeremy says:

    Thanks, Colin.

    We’ve all got to decide what to this summer because that is precisely the scenario we will face when the bridge is fully closed to vehicles other than buses possibly. It’s interesting to think through how we are going to adapt, isn’t it?

  3. I P says:

    Closing the Bridge is not an option, ‘Legally’. This was tried a few years ago, A plan to close the bridge to all lorries, This was rightly so contested by Wiltshire council and Parish councils to the east of Bath.
    The DfT at the time agreed with Wiltshire and the proposed plan was stopped.
    Basicly a council cannot introduce a scheme that would have detrimental effect on other areas.

  4. Jeremy says:

    Thanks, IP. Can you point me at the legal ruling somewhere?

  5. ip says:

    A useful start of the paper trail is here. https://cms.wiltshire.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=23464

    I dont hold my notes from back then. Bit from the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-18407853

    Most long standing cllrs will know this

    • admin says:

      Thanks for your retrospective look at the contention caused in 2012 which seems to suffer from a lack of concern for the effects elsewhere or indeed a desire to cooperate with the neighbouring councils. The ban was to be implemented over a few yards at the 3 way junction just outside the Holbourne Museum drive which gave HGVs from the south an escape route. From the north the HGVs would be confronted with the ban, having crossed the bridge and then were forced to use the same escape route through Widcombe. The current bridge HGV ban has a stronger reason for it to exist.

  6. ip says:

    The proposed Ban was the banning of HGV on the Bridge and not “over a few yards at the 3 way junction” That was the turning restriction point, HGVs had the restriction was on the Bridge, but to do so HGVs have to be restricted so that they cannot be dead ended as what happend when overnight works took place on teh London Rd lights at night. https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/10038889.joy-over-u-turn-on-lorry-move/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-12482931 https://swwiltshirelibdems.org.uk/en/article/2012/1319864/bath-s-lorries-are-coming-our-way http://www.melkshamwithout.co.uk/assets/documents/Page%201%20Wiltshire%20Council%20Report%20Cllr%20Mark%20Griffiths.pdf and many parish council minutes reafirm this. see also https://cms.wiltshire.gov.uk/documents/s44103/Cleveland%20Bridge%20Weight%20Restriction.pdf

    • admin says:

      Thank you for this. I’m happy to accept your account of then ban in 2012. My second point, I think, still applies that the ban seems highly unilateral from B&NES and hardly created friends amongst its neighbours. I’m not clear about the legalities. It looked like there was ‘concern’ from the Highways Agency but there is no hint, from what you sent me, of legal proceedings.

  7. IP says:

    At no point did I say “Legal proceedings”, There is a legal precedent that the actions of a LA cannot have detrimental effects on its neighbours. and if it does it can be overturned or amended. This goes for schemes such as Bridge closures to CAZ’s primarily “implications from any traffic displaced to surrounding areas” must be borne in mind